Chief Innovation Officer, RL Leaders
Lights, camera, insight: Creating OSINT
Gus Kangas has an innovative approach to getting the most out of intelligence teams – pairing them with creative types. With experience as a child actor, on Broadway, and then as an intelligence officer, Gus recognises the strength that comes from both groups of people.
Listen to find out why Gus wants more divergent thinkers in the room, how it affects intelligence teams’ outputs, and why national security needs a little more showbiz sometimes. Gus recently retired from almost three decades of federal service, including with the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA).
Meet your podcast hosts
Jane van Tienen
With 20+ years in global security and intelligence, Jane is an experienced executive, skilled at leading teams navigating high-stress issues like geopolitics and security risks. Outside of work, Jane enjoys giving back to her community and spending time with loved ones in Australia and the US.
Kylie Pert
After 15+ years working in the Australian National Intelligence and Security communities, Kylie knows a thing or two about the value of open-source intelligence. When she's not podcasting or running a course for intelligence analysts, you'll find her at the beach or local indoor play centre with her young family.
Open Secret is recorded on the lands of the Kabi Kabi people. OSINT Combine acknowledges Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples as the First Australians and Traditional Custodians of the land where we live, work, and learn.
Open Secret is an OSINT Combine podcast, produced by TributePod